Local Dogs

[fidimax]

Rat2,culling natural ? how do you work that out ? I wouldnt call a bullet in the head natural !!!!!!

[kalkan4eva]

Perhaps if the dogs are a problem for residents, its something the mayor might look into? Particularly if their presence may also impact on tourism 
It appears the efforts of local groups to contain the population via a neutering programme is not enough - which is a shame, as I would have thought that was the more natural method of control. I quite like being escorted home by 3 or 4 dogs, and I''ve never found them intimidating and think they are part of our Kalkan experience - but I do appreciate this isn''t everyone''s view.
I don''t advocate a cull, but we make a point of saying when in Turkey we should be be respectful to our hosts and accept their ways - even if they are not akin to our own beliefs. So in my opinion, it''s no use condeming topless sunbathing if you think it''s ok to disregard the wishes of locals when it comes to "managing" the street animals. It''s not our choice.

[fidimax]

Hiya K4E,I agree with what you are saying,but,the way a few posts have been going about culling is at the end of every month,rounding up the "strays" and shooting them in the street,then throwing the carcases in the back of a van,I dont think that would be good for tourism in kalkan or turkey as a whole.
humane culling,yes,injections or whatever,but I think I am correct in saying,that most of the so-called strays are owned by locals,so how could anyone decide what is stray and what isnt,unless the "owned dogs have collars/ID discs.Its a difficult one to sort out in the correct and humane way.

[onelove]

Lets not pussy foot about this, its a big problem and needs to be sorted out before someone gets really hurt, in my view culling is by far the best answer, other things have been tried over recent years but the problem just gets worse. No matter what the dog lovers say about this, there are packs of wild dogs roaming the streets of Kalkan, FACT, and it needs sorting out FACT......... not dog lovers saying, ahhhh they are so nice.....yes they are until one of your family gets badly bitten, or someone gets hit by a car due to a car swerving to miss a dog, or someone running into the road to try and get away from a dog / dogs.....dog are fine in the right place and kept on a lead, not running wild in a holiday resort

[fidimax]

OK.so how would YOU do the culling ? and how would YOU sort out the strays from the owned dogs ? 

[misty]

I guess if the local authorities state that on certain days of the week/month all stray dogs will be rounded up and destroyed. This might deter owners from allowing their dogs to roam the streets causing these problems.

[fidimax]

True Misty,now we are getting to the root of this,THE OWNERS,sort them out and it could help sort out the "STRAYS".
start with the chap who apparently owns half of Kalkan and is the owner of that dalmation !

[Kalamar Bay]

Kalamar Dream, get off your soapbox because you are sounding and writing like a fool. Every year there is a thread on the subject.................look back and see just how much people care about this subject and the animals concerned.

Many many people support the street dogs and willingly contibute to the worthy cause.

Regards

Neil

[fidimax]

                             




                               The "other" Neil 

[Lougie]

Spot on Fidimax, I do believe I said that last year, sort the OWNERS out, that Dalmatian is viscous along with the red setter which is also a pet.

In my opinion it is not the strays that is the problem, they are the friendly ones, its the pets that cause the problems.

I agree it is a problem, being so I am petrified of dogs myself.

[kalkan4eva]

Hi Neil "the other one",
Totally agree that some methods of control, such as shooting in the street, are barbaric and would impact on tourism much more than the dogs themselves do right now. I think some of the other posters were writing about their own view of culling - might not neccessarily be the way locals in Kalkan would deal with the problem. As you point out, and as other threads on this subject have indicated, there are no strays in Kalkan - the dogs (and cats) do belong to people, it''s just a lack of control. It''s not the poor animals fault and I do appreciate it must be hard for ex-pat residents not to get involved - particularly if rat2''s experience is not unusual.
We are a nation of animal lovers (allegedly) but, by all accounts, Turkish people do not view animals in the same way. My point being if this is a real issue for residents and future tourism, we should let the Belidye deal with it - hopefully in a humane way. KD you need to express your views to those with the power to make changes, as that''s the only way things will move on. Whether that''s owners being more responsible, pounds etc. I don''t know. I certainly don''t feel as strongly as you do, but appreciate your sentiments to a certain extent (not the culling).
By the way, I have donated to KASPA and think the group does a very worthy job, but without a policy or support for their programmes from the Belidye the problem will continue.

[onelove]

Sorry if I have upset anyone.    Just my view, thats all..........I just hope that my fears never come true 

[onelove]

Kalamar Dream, get off your soapbox because you are sounding and writing like a fool. Every year there is a thread on the subject.................look back and see just how much people care about this subject and the animals concerned.

Many many people support the street dogs and willingly contibute to the worthy cause.

Regards

Neil

I dont care ( I do really ! )  what people think about my opinion, but can we leave out the " Fool " remark please. I can never work out why if certain people dont agree with someone else, then they are deemed...sod it I cant be bothered.

[fidimax]

Some people care about the dogs,some dont,and you are entitled to your opinion KD,its what makes debate
even if others dont agree with it.

[Brooksie]

We have never been threatened by the local dogs. Followed yes but not intimidated by them, nor growled at or ever felt scared by their presence. They are for the most part friendly, happy animals. A lot of that is down to the efforts of Kapsa. Yes there are dogs (and cats) wandereing around in Kalkan but the local population (Kapsa and the Belidye) are trying to control it as best they can. Incidents of people being bitten should be immediately reported to the authorities, who can then deal with it. If the dogs mentioned are owned by someone and you can find out who they are, report them.

[Kalamar Bay]

K.D this subject always creates emotive feelings and views.

Your view is not shared by all and as such please expect differing opinions from yours.

I also stated you only ''sounded'' like a fool............!!

Neil

[onelove]

Oh thats not so bad then.......I''m not a fool, I just sound like one.....hey ho 

[Enjoy Kalkan]

As has been said, many subjects especially this one may cause very polarised views - please can all members ensure they respect the views of others even if they differ from their own.

Thanks 

[soprano]

Ä° have never posted on the Forum before.  However, Ä° am also beginning to feel more strongly about the dog situation as Ä° feel the problem has definitely worsened over the last 18 months that Ä° have lived here.  Ä° walk my small dog regularly both locally (above the Kas Road) and in the village.  Locally Ä° have no problems but in and around the village Ä° am finding that Ä° cannot walk more than 100 metres without my dog being threatened (sometimes extremely viciously) by one or more dogs.  She has turned from being a feisty terrior to being very subserviant to these dogs. Ä° carry a stick with me now when Ä° walk in the village with her but, unfortunately, Ä° do this less and less frequently.

Although Ä° appreciate everyone''s point of view it seems to me that some people who have posted on this topic wear blinkers.

There are foreigners who feed the local dogs in the village and the dogs therefore congregate in one place.  As Ä° pass Ä° am told by these foreigners that the dogs will only bark at my dog - not attack.  Rubbish! - they frequently attack.  Hence the stick.

Whoever says that there are no wild dogs is misguided.  There are packs of 10 or more dogs roaming around my local area regularly.  There are packs on the Kalamar road  and opposite the market.  Whether someone ''owns'' them or not is debateable. Does ownership not imply some responsibility?  Ä°t is no anwer to say that the Turkish people do not treat their dogs like we do.  Kalkan''s prosperity has been built on the back of tourism and Ä° have not found many Turkish people unable to adapt in other ways.

Many locals are wary and even afraid of the dogs; holiday makers have made negative comments about them; you can''t eat on the harbour without being pestered.  Ä° believe it is time to take action.

Ä° agree that the Belidiye needs to be the instrument of action. With the new information system it would be easy to inform local people that stray dogs will be rounded up on a certain day.  Ä° am not against culling if it was humane and would certainly support an animal refuge.  Kapsa do a good job of neutering animals but maybe more money could be diverted into supporting a refuge rather than the feeding programme.

For what it is worth these are my views and Ä° hope no one will call me a fool for having them.

[onelove]

Well, saying things like that just means one thing to some people................Your a fool ! ! !   

No, only joking, a bit of common sence at last, me think ? ? ?   well said. Have to go now, as I am feeling a little ROUGH !