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Kalkan Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: rat2 on September 05, 2008, 08:52:02 PM
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I''''ll probably be criticised for daring to suggest there''''s something wrong in these parts, but I don''''t care and it may save someone''''s life. I''''ve searched the forum and can''''t find this covered elsewhere.
Two days ago a woman was drowned swimming from Patara Beach: I have been informed, but have yet to verify, that this was about the 10th victim this year. I believe most deaths, like this recent one, occur in the vicinity of Kumluova where the river from Saklikent discharges cold water into the sea. This causes a number of localised problems:
- quicksands - several records of horses being lost
- cold water - swimming from warm water into a very cold area can cause a ''''thermal shock'''' and severe cramp
- this discharge can add to the existing stong undertow
I understand even very strong swimmers have been lost yet there are no warning signs or flags, and certainly no lifeguards - anyone who risks swimming in this area is very much on their own. The nearest medical assistance is the new clinic in Kalkan, where this unfortunate young woman was found to be DOA.
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I think people will be grateful for the warning. We sometimes get a little too laid back on holiday and forget about risks.
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I agree. My children are not strong swimmers and neither are we. We had a couple of beach days but to be honest we were concerned about currents. Even on the town beach the currents were strong. However the Korsan pools allowed us to sun bathe and cool off
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The other end of Patara also has some very strong and unpredictable currents that have taken lives, strangely on the approach to the beach, having paid your 5ytl to get in, there is a sign which gives no warning about the dangers of the sea, only that no horses or camels are allowed on the beach!!!
Luckily I''d decided to come on my elephant that day so that was ok,
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Hi
Although we all enjoy playing in the waves and taking surf boards and small blow up boats into the sea, we all know nature takes no prisoners! It has been posted on here before about rip tides at Patara, and no doubt elsewhere too?
Everyone should take care of themselves and their kids in the sea, even when things look calm.
No one should swim in the sea or in a pool area without someone else around to call for help!
We took the kids to Spain this year, and swam in the pool, and in all the coves. One or other of the adults was always within a few feet of them. We had rings, boats and surf boards, so it is not like we lacked fun.
No damage done, but a lot care taken. No signs needed, just common sense.
Em
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I think the difference here em1 is the fact that there are no warning signs at Patara, Dangerous beaches in Europe give warnings at least, but are usually out of bounds to swimmers.
Patara is an unpredictable and dangerous place to swim and there are no signs or any lifeguards or rescue facilities.
It''s very good that there is a site like this where people can be warned
The dangers of Patara should not,IMO, be played down
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There we no signs on the coves we found, as we went for the secluded ones away from everyone.
We must just use our brains I am afraid, and not leave them at home... :laugh:
Em
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Em,
It''s a legal requirement here to have warnings posted by private swimming pools if the properties are rented, so why don''t the local authorities take responsibility for their much more dangerous beaches? I''m sure you think of every possible eventuality whenever you swim, drive, fly, eat, drink, smoke etc. but, surprisingly, not everyone does, which is why it has been found necessary, worldwide, to provide health warnings for us lesser mortals.
r2
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I must agree with Em that we all have a responsibility for our own safety. Any beach is potentially dangerous for swimming from & when abroad I would always ask local advice before venturing into the sea.
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No Sally. not every beach is dangerous and those that do have severe riptides are signed
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Where there is sea - there is danger...it is inherent upon us to respect the sea and its potential danger never mind how calm and safe it might seem... Are you really saying that Patara is a ''lethal'' beach - worse than others....that is not what I have been led to believe but I would be grateful for your clarification of whether Patara is such a risk......
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No Sally. not every beach is dangerous and those that do have severe riptides are signed
Any beach is potentialyy dangerous if you do not look at he weather, currents, rips etc.
And I know of many beaches with severe rips that are NOT signed.
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I wonder if, because it is such a dangerous place to swim, if this is one of the reasons the beach has never been developed for tourism. You''d have thought with such an ideal location the developers would have been in there wacking up hotels,etc.
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it is a protected nature reserve - that is why it cannot be developed - and long may it stay like that...nothing to do with it being a ''dangerous'' beach - any more ''dangerous'' than any other beach in the world...!! :o
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as Felicity says it is a nature reserve and home to nesting turtles....much rather that than buildings!!
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Swimming Hazards - its not just the sea that one has to be careful of- where there is water, be it sea river or pool, BATH etc, you respect it, teach your kids to respect it and water safety. If not sure of it either stay away or make enquires.
It takes only seconds to become unsafe in water, sensible adults should be checking for themselves, & their children/charges. Then teach those children how to be safe near/in water, without trying to frighten them in the process. Send them off to your local pool for swimming lessons or the RLSS, they don''t have to be Olympic swimmers just sensible ones, and that goes for adults too, they then can enjoy the water where ever it may be.
Common sense costs nothing, stupidity can cost lives.
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Is the original post on here from rat2 a wind up, or is Patara a dangerous place to swim?
Is it usual for 10 or so people to be killed on public beaches each year and the stats of Patara are ''run of the mill'' for public beaches? and the average deaths for a public beach is 10 or so per year
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I don''t know about the number of deaths at Patara this year but I know that there is a very strong undertow in the water there which can be very dangerous.
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Kalcamp
I would never be stupid enough to ''wind up'' people about such a serious matter. Read my post again and you will see that I refer to a central part of ''Patara'' beach known as Kumluova. To my certain knowledge 4 people have drowned there in the last couple of weeks. One was a very strong swimmer who attempted to assist two girls who were in trouble. I have been quite specific about the probable reasons. There are definitely quicksands in that area which have been reported for over a century. For those who would make light of this, I can say with complete certainty they have never had personal experience of quicksands. I have: I was a strong swimmer in my youth and, although I have had an exciting life living on the edge and never far from danger, it was my most terrifying experience and had I not had a companion, who luckily managed to get a firm foothold, I would not be here today.
As people have said, you should always respect water as being potentially dangerous, but some areas are more dangerous than others; in my book Kumluova rates as one of the most dangerous (and I''ve swum in Darwin, NW Territories not too far from great whites) but there are no public warnings. The statistics for this beach are dreadful, but they are not widely publicised - if there were 4 drowning deaths in 2 weeks in Brighton we''d certainly hear about it, even in Kalkan. It''s all very well being ''sensible'' as DRBD says but unless you''re an expert you can''t predict strong undertow - that''s why every ''dodgy'' beach I''ve come across in UK, East and West coast USA, Europe, Africa (even Nigeria), East and West Malaysia, Middle East and Australia (and probably quite a few I can''t recall at the moment) have ALL had warning signs, and/or warning flags and/or life guards.
Putting notice boards up costs little; there are plenty referring to beach rules for the protection of turtles. Perhaps human life is less important than wildlife? I don''t think so, but I do think that to ignore dangers to ''protect'' tourism (did you see ''Jaws?) is criminally irresponsible.
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OK - good points made and point taken - but by ranting about it on this forum is not going to help get signs up..how do we try and bring pressure to bear on the authorities that be to post warning signs - or indicating where are more dangerous parts of Patara than others.....???? :o
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Whilst the authorities show little respect for human life, perhaps those who rent out there villas and apartments should think about putting some warnings about Patara in their information packs to renters.
I know that I''m going to. I don''t think I could live with myself if one of my guests was drowned there, and I had said nothing, now knowing the dangers there.
Thank you rat2 for your very informative post
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Yes there should be signs on this beach along with others, & notes as suggested left by those who rent out their properties re the dangers of this area.
We have on countless occasions visited this area, we also stand and watch the flows & currents of these waters, just watching the flotsam & debris floating together with the birds swimming in the water can give a very good indication of the dangers that lurk. There is also much water life at the bottom of these waters, snakes, frogs etc and the reeds together with the quicksands. We have a Turkish local friend who many years ago became a victim of a tragic accident & today suffers severe consequences because of their foolishness. It is also a very beautiful area to visit, and popular with the locals to visit.
It is still a question of common sense and respect for water, and checking things out without going blindly into it. I check my pool every time before I go into it, only recently we discovered a large piece of jagged metal that had been thrown into it, it could have caused very serious injuries.
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Very good post Rat2. I was unaware of this but then I never go to Patara beach to swim. However, I think that people who rent out should indeed put this warning into their info packs.
Re warning signs, which belediye is responsible to do that?
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Great pics Feds,the shadow drawings are really good.
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great pics, and it sounds and looks wonderful there, how do you get there? can we have directions please
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In fact its bliss - this area is so interesting, it seems to change with the seasons, have been going there for years and it still has its appeal. In the spring on the road in, lots of wild flowers, then there are tortoise that wander about.
We spent last Boxing Day there, and walked in the warm sunshine all along the beach, collected so much drift wood for the fire we staggered back. You can see from Jon''s photos what it is like now.
Just have to be a little careful of what is washed up by the sea at times and what is left by the visitor.
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Hi John,
Is there any parking anywhere near to the beach? We tried to find what had been called Letoon beach last year, we followed the Plaj sign but ended up doing some serious off road driving, in the end we did not actually find the beach (altho'' we knew it was "just over" the dunes) in the end we gave up and went home. I just didn''t know where to park ::).
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As people have said, you should always respect water as being potentially dangerous, but some areas are more dangerous than others; in my book Kumluova rates as one of the most dangerous (and I''''ve swum in Darwin, NW Territories not too far from great whites) but there are no public warnings. The statistics for this beach are dreadful, but they are not widely publicised - if there were 4 drowning deaths in 2 weeks in Brighton we''''d certainly hear about it, even in Kalkan. It''''s all very well being ''''sensible'''' as DRBD says but unless you''''re an expert you can''''t predict strong undertow - that''''s why every ''''dodgy'''' beach I''''ve come across in UK, East and West coast USA, Europe, Africa (even Nigeria), East and West Malaysia, Middle East and Australia (and probably quite a few I can''''t recall at the moment) have ALL had warning signs, and/or warning flags and/or life guards.
Quote from Rat2, just to remind people this is in fact a highly dangerous place to swim.
Anyone who recommends this place to anyone should show resposibility by telling them of the above average death rate here from drowning.
Try to remember we are talking about death here
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Kumluova is also known as Letoon. I think it is the Xanthos river that flows into the sea there. John
I agree ive been to patara and it seems very safe ive n that ever even got cramp there i feel that patara is a family beach :)