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Title: More Burglaries
Post by: soprano on July 24, 2012, 07:37:28 AM
There were at least 4 burglaries in Kiziltas last night and I understand that there were 2 the previous night.  Two of them were in my development, where there were people in residence.  They went into bedrooms where people were sleeping to steal money and phones.  They got into a bedroom in my house but I heard a street dog barking and shouted to it to shut up.  I believe this frightened them off and we lost nothing.  However, there were 2 street dogs in the grounds, which I would have thought would have protected us.  These burglers are very bold indeed.

I am of the opinion that we should report all burglaries to this site as they happen, to keep us vigilant.    I think that is more important than protecting Kalkan's reputation and we tend to drop our guard if we are not constantly reminded of the dangers.  I also have to say that I know far more people here that have been burgled than I ever knew in England.  So people who say it is still a comparatively rare occurrence in Kalkan are kidding themselves.

I also believe, and have been told by tourists who have been burgled , that after such a nasty experience, they will not be back and who can blame them.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Lizilu20 on July 24, 2012, 08:03:39 AM
Last night approx 12 ish, I was sitting on our balcony in kiziltas, watching the fireworks down at the harbour. A young lad on a moped was sitting on a bench watching them too. He was then joined by another lad and they stayed there long after the fireworks finished. I was on my iPad and became worried that they were waiting for me to go to bed before trying to enter our villa and possibly rob us! I sat out until they eventually went. Now these young lads could have been totally innocent but I could not know that for sure. About an hour ago, again I was on the balcony and I saw 2 jandarma vans pass our villa and drive further along our road.
We as a family have become a lot more security conscious and have made sure that since we arrived, we lock all doors and windows even when we are in, and lock our bedroom doors too. I don't know if this will be enough, but it's all we can do and we feel so desperately sorry for the people affected by these crimes.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Skunk on July 24, 2012, 08:47:19 AM
It's getting quite scary that there seem to be so many burglaries in such a small town.  As DianeK says, it sounds a lot more common over there than here. Maybe it's because it's a small town and people know each other.  I too feel very sorry for those who have lost precious things.  What a nightmare.  I will be very vigilant when we are over there. S :o :o :o
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: kevincat99 on July 24, 2012, 09:02:59 AM

Maybe part of this problem is that the Jandarma here are mainly conscripts and do not seem to stay that long so never build up any local knowledge of Kalkan or its inhabitants

I am sure in places where there is a regular full time police force they get to know lots of the people in the village and can spot Turkish "newcomers"

These burglars have to get here and local people must not recognise them as locals - can't they be involved somehow to
alert the Jandarma - a bit like a Neighbourhood Watch scheme - preferably before the crimes occur
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Bexscho on July 24, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
We will be in kalkan in 5 weeks staying near kalamar road..very worrying  :o
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Bdancer on July 24, 2012, 10:44:55 AM
This is really horrid news. To be operating in this way they obviously feel the risks of being caught are minimal! I do agree that these incidents should be reported on here to ensure vigilance by all.
Isis
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: kalkanbelle on July 24, 2012, 01:43:51 PM
We have just updated our information for guests regarding potential thefts and have been totally honest about the situation.  We have advised them to keep all doors and windows locked (inlcluding bedroom doors) when going to bed and to keep their valuables with them.  Also to keep the outside gate locked at all times.  We felt that honesty was the best policy and without wanting to alarm them just to say that it's better to be safe than sorry and have something spoil their holiday.  We will also be fitting an alarm and will put up a notice in Turkish to say it is connected to the Jandarma ;)
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Bob & Jayne on July 24, 2012, 02:24:12 PM
"Jandarma call public meetings following burglaries" - On KTLN News Page.
B
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: turkeyfan on July 24, 2012, 02:31:47 PM
We will also be fitting an alarm and will put up a notice in Turkish to say it is connected to the Jandarma ;)

Sounds like a good idea - Who's doing your alarm?  How much are you paying for it?  PM me if you would prefer.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Bdancer on July 24, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
Lets hope it leads to something positive.
 
Isis
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: dancing ninja on July 24, 2012, 09:26:46 PM
I actually feel sorry for any burgular who interrupts my sleep on my long awaited holiday  :)
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Skunk on July 24, 2012, 10:37:44 PM
Still a bit scary but thanks for putting it in perspective dancing ninja  ;D :D  :o
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Islands on July 25, 2012, 01:13:01 AM
Dancing Ninja
 I think if you were unfortunate enough to have these burglars come into your bedroom you would not be so flippant about it.  These break ins  have  affected some people really badly and made them very uneasy about being in Kalkan.
 
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: misty on July 25, 2012, 07:16:59 AM
Happened to me...not in Kalkan though....I was awake when they came into our bedroom..with my two children asleep in their rooms.....
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cosetta on July 25, 2012, 09:08:55 AM
In the information package we give to renters there is a section on security. We suggest that they 1) not tell anyone their movements or plan such as 'tomorrow we're going to Patara' or 'Wednesday we're going out on a boat', etc.; 2) not to mention the name or location of where they are staying; 3) to lock accessible windows; 4) to lock bedroom doors; 5) to hide valuables in a locked area; 6) not to open the door for would-be repairmen unless the owner or property manager has told them to expect someone; 7) not to allow anyone to help them at any ATM machine; 8 ) to ask the property owner what is their villa number in the Jandarma's database; 9) to notice anyone loitering aimlessly near the property. 

We reassure them that while there are break-ins, there has never been an incidence of personal violence.  Frightening, yes.  Sad, yes. Dangerous, no.  We have not had anyone become alarmed by this information as everyone knows that tourist areas have thieves.

Do people not return?  They do return even knowing there are break-ins.  We have been burglarized 3 times in Spain, we still go every winter.  Barcelona has been named 'thief capital of the world'.  There is even a video online depicting 3 Romanian pickpockets showing off their skills of which they are very proud.  1 second to pick and pass a wallet.  Do tourists still go to Barcelona?  They flood there!

And on the Spanish coasts there have been many incidents of violent break-ins and shootings, even senseless shortings for no reason.  Now there are burglars on the roads forcing people to stop their car and demanding cash.  This happened a few weeks ago to one of our renters in Marbella.  The Spanish costas are far more dangerous than here in Turkey. 

We in Kalkan hear about many of the break-ins because it is a small place, people know a lot of other people here and we have this forum to announce it.  Calculate your odds of being a victim.  Ownersdirect lists 585 properties for rent in Kalkan.  How many are burgled over a 2-week period, the average length of a visitor's stay ? 

Re alarm systems, ours was installed by a company in Istanbul and is linked to them by telephone.  But even those cheap window alarms sold in the market are great because they ring very loudly, enough to alert someone that a window has been opened.

Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Nicky Adams on July 25, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
As the victim of a burglary a few weeks back, I am not sure the Jandarma are doing all they should.  If there was a similar spate of burglaries in England the Police would be doing more.  When we called the Jandarma, they took 2 hours to arrive!!!!  Even then we still had to go down to the station that afternoon to file a report.  Also we are currently unable to make an insurance claim (which incidentalyy will not cover all that we lost) as we are still awaiting a crime reference number from the Jandarma.  Frankly I rather got the impression they were just going through the motions.....perhaps they will feel differently when their own children have had their laptops stolen from their beds as they sleep......our holiday was violated by these thieves and I want something done about it....

Also at our villa, there was no telephone (although the owners direct website said there was one) and NO emergency telephone numbers to call and our mobiles were stolen!!  We were lucky(!) that a kind neighbour who spoke Turkish helped us out otherwise I dont know how we would have coped. Villa owners have a moral duty to ensure tenants have all the necessary emergency numbers.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: dancing ninja on July 25, 2012, 06:42:14 PM
Islands
    I think you have taken my remarks the wrong way , I do understand how upsetting and frightening an experience of being burgled can be and I do hope they catch these people so that everyone can enjoy kalkan .
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: headroom on July 25, 2012, 08:10:34 PM
As the victim of a burglary a few weeks back, I am not sure the Jandarma are doing all they should.  If there was a similar spate of burglaries in England the Police would be doing more.  When we called the Jandarma, they took 2 hours to arrive!!!!  Even then we still had to go down to the station that afternoon to file a report.  Also we are currently unable to make an insurance claim (which incidentalyy will not cover all that we lost) as we are still awaiting a crime reference number from the Jandarma.  Frankly I rather got the impression they were just going through the motions.....perhaps they will feel differently when their own children have had their laptops stolen from their beds as they sleep......our holiday was violated by these thieves and I want something done about it....

Also at our villa, there was no telephone (although the owners direct website said there was one) and NO emergency telephone numbers to call and our mobiles were stolen!!  We were lucky(!) that a kind neighbour who spoke Turkish helped us out otherwise I dont know how we would have coped. Villa owners have a moral duty to ensure tenants have all the necessary emergency numbers.

  I feel sure that most villa owners do take their responsibilties to their guests seriously, sadly whatever we do we could always be accused of doing more when problems occur. At our villa we have placed so many security measures in place it would take too much room to list (and I wouldn't want to advertise these to the 'wrong' people anyway), there is a mobile with emergency numbers programmed in and lots of advice in the information pack, however regardless of our efforts to ensure the safety of guests it is only effective if they actually take notice and use the facilities provided.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Nicky Adams on July 25, 2012, 11:07:14 PM
Dear Headroom

I am sorry that you have misinterpreted my comments.  Obviously you ARE an extremely responsible villa-owner.  You must understand though, how frightening it is, to be broken into in the middle of the night.....to have all your valuebles taken (including mobiles) when there is NO phone provided in the villa (although stated there was one) and NO details for emergency numbers.  I felt VERY vunerbale and scared.

My point was to raise awreness of the problem to ensure that all villa owners follow your lead and make sure there are security measures in force.  This was NOT the case with the villa we rented. rant over!

Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cuddles on July 26, 2012, 08:38:36 AM
Headroom you wrote "...there is a mobile with emergency numbers programmed in ..."

How do you secure that? If these people are taking all the portable goods when they break in, what is to stop them taking that too?
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: headroom on July 26, 2012, 09:42:00 AM
Dear Headroom

I am sorry that you have misinterpreted my comments.  Obviously you ARE an extremely responsible villa-owner.  You must understand though, how frightening it is, to be broken into in the middle of the night.....to have all your valuebles taken (including mobiles) when there is NO phone provided in the villa (although stated there was one) and NO details for emergency numbers.  I felt VERY vunerbale and scared.

My point was to raise awreness of the problem to ensure that all villa owners follow your lead and make sure there are security measures in force.  This was NOT the case with the villa we rented. rant over!


Sorry, my comment was not meant to be a criticism of yourself or anyone else for that matter, I apologise if it appeared that way, you have my heartfelt sympathy. It would be anyone's worst nightmare to have intruders whilst in bed, I am a retired policeman and dealt with many burglars, night time burglaries were an unusual occurrence in my experience, so to have burglars who are bold enough to enter whilst there are people actually on the premises is quite worrying. It is very sad that you have lost jewellery which is just not valuable in a monetary sense it is invaluable sentimentally.
Headroom you wrote "...there is a mobile with emergency numbers programmed in ..."

How do you secure that? If these people are taking all the portable goods when they break in, what is to stop them taking that too?
I would hope that the guests take the phone with them into the bedroom, keep it within easy reach, I understand what you mean, . . . . why would the burglar not steal the phone, . . . it is not a fancy smart phone it is a simple Nokia I dare say any self respecting burglar would look at it with disdain, but? who knows, I cannot come up with a solution to that one.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cosetta on July 26, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
I have tried providing a local phone and ended up losing two of them.  Now we provide a large notebook with 9 pages of information including all kinds of emergency numbers.  We tell people to keep their phones near them at all times.  Of course, this doesn't guarantee anything but so far so good, no problems.

We hope all owners reading this thread and who are present in Kalkan will be going this afternoon at 3pm to the Jandarm to hear from and talk with the head Jandarm officer stationed in Kas.  It is our duty as owners, and that of property managers as well, to support the Jandarma's efforts to do their job and to collaborate with them. 
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Nicky Adams on July 26, 2012, 10:43:22 AM
In our case, the burglars stole all our phones from our bedside tables which is why I am advocating that villa owners should put in a landline also.

As mentioned in an earlier post, most of the villas have PVC windows, the locks on which are pretty insubstantial. Perhaps owners should be advised to reinforce the locks that are provided as standard.  It is not a pleasant feeling to have to lock oneself in your bedroom at night and impractical too, if you have young children.

As a separate point - I understand the Jandarma not the police force enforce order in Kalkan as residents total less than 5000 - however the population swells in summer months and perhaps the Jandarma need to request help from the police force?
Yes....these are problems the world over but  four burglaries in one night and we were burgled the week before - that would make news even in the UK!

I feel outraged, both as a victim but equally for the villa-owners who wish to rent their properties and locals who rely on tourism for their income......the Jandarma need to step up to the mark. Kalkan is a great holiday destination and does not deserve to receive negative publicity.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: headroom on July 26, 2012, 01:10:16 PM

In our case, the burglars stole all our phones from our bedside tables which is why I am advocating that villa owners should put in a landline also.
   It would be good if we could install a landline, but the crazy bureaucracy of Turkey dictates that we can buy a house but without a residency permit we cannot have a telephone line in our own names (which incidentally means we can't get ADSL for the internet, we have to make do with a dongle). Getting the R.P. is something we would like to do but it is a two day operation over two separate weeks and a six hour round road trip to get it so is difficult to do in a two week holiday. But yes, a landline would be useful, (providing the telephone lines cannot be cut).
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Charlie on July 26, 2012, 05:30:26 PM
Headroom if you have a Turkish friend who would be happy to put it in their name it can be installed in your villa.  Perhaps your maintenance company could help?  As far as I know this is the only way round it and that's what we've had to do for phone line and internet access.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: maryjane on July 27, 2012, 05:27:58 PM
Hum ???  A colleague, who lives in Kalkan, attended the meeting yesterday regarding the problems that have arisen.  Basically, no feasible outcome, one has to sort out one's own prevention against future crime ??? ??? ??? Would have been nice if a representative of the Belediye had bothered to turn up >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D. 
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cosetta on July 27, 2012, 06:56:22 PM
I was at that meeting and I fail to see the difference between police intervention when a burglary or theft is reported here or anywhere else in the world.  The police or Jandarma ALWAYS, EVERYWHERE arrive after the fact almost never while the crime is ongoing.  If you want them to be there to always prevent a crime, then you need to hire a personal bodyguard.

What is shameful is that the Belediye sent no representative -- perhaps they do not see this as their problem, thus have no interest ?  Does the local government think this matter does not affect Kalkan's reputation and future ? 

Second, we learned that even though many burglars have been caught, they have been let go for lack of evidence.  By evidence, it seems that the judges in Kas and elsewhere want a mug shot, i.e., their face on a security camera.  Short of that they are either given light sentences or let go if there is no concrete proof they broke into a home and stole something.

Which brings us to the role of the Belediye.  We learned that Kalkan is the ONLY coastal, tourist town around without CCTV cameras and system.  The Chief of the Jandarma in Kas told us that he had appealed to Ankara for funds to install such a system but met with no success. 

We, as residents, owners and regular visitors can be useful.  We are planning to write a formal letter in Turkish and send it to the government in Antalya to request funds and support in obtaining CCTV in Kalkan.  We will ask as many people as possible to send a copy or their own letter urging the government to allocate funds for a CCTV system in Kalkan.

It is not a total answer.  It does not relieve people of the responsibility of collaborating in the prevention of break-ins by installing some kind of alarm system and registering their villa or apartment number in the Jandarma's database.  Window and door alarms cost as little as 1 lira and make quite a noise if set off.  As was pointed out, people seem willing to spend 100,000 - 600,000 GBP on a house, but not 2,000 on a good alarm system. 

If you think about it, police around the world do not really stop crimes, they most often arrive after the crime has been committed and the criminal has gone.  In the case of break-in and theft, the average time a thief spends in a home is 5 - 7 minutes.  They head straight for the bedrooms and living room.  Even if the police or Jandarma could fly, they would not get there before the thief has left !

Crime prevention must be a collaborative effort, not a reliance on local Jandarma or police.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Bdancer on July 28, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
I would agree that it is shamful that no one from the belediye turned up as this is an issue that ultimatly effects everyone. Would it be at all possible or would someone be prepared to draft a letter/petititon that we could all sign. Anything we can do we should, to make it harder for theives to operate.

We agree that it  has to be a collabrative effort and we accept that there is a responsibilty on owners do as much as they can to keep guests safe,  and we like other owners installed an alarm system, dead bolts on doors etc, offer advice, supply contact numbers but as Cosseta says there is only so much we can do.

However I do think the Jandarma could do more, yes they have limited resources but perhaps random road check in the early hours could be a good idea as there is only two/three main routes out of the town. So if these crimes are commited by outsiders I cant image they would want to hang around and  I would of thought this could be more effective than just driving around the centre of the town. Also, they can improve on how victims are treated with regard to issuing crime numbers.  It must upsetting enough for anyone to have this happen to them, without then having additional problems and worries about being able to claim on their insurance

Isis


Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: headroom on July 28, 2012, 01:37:03 PM
What I have always found amazing is how Jandarma always advertise to all and sundry where they are by driving around with their roof lights flashing out like beacons, in a town built on a hillside they can be seen from miles away!
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cosetta on July 28, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
Regarding random road checks, we were told that the Jandarma or traffic police can only check the ownership of the car and verify the driver's license, but they cannot search the car without a warrant or a special dispensation.  So even if a Jandarma or police saw a lot of computers, cell phones, etc., he would be very suspicious but would not be able to do much about it if the driver said they belonged to him.  How to take him into custody or prove they were stolen unless the serial numbers match those reported as stolen ?

Roadblocks would need Jandarma posted at the two main entrances to Kalkan (which would leave all the areas above the highway unprotected).  With only 6 people to cover all of Kalkan and Kalamar, that means 4 would be at the roadblocks leading into town with only 2 left to patrol.  They would have to stop every car going by between 3:30 and 6:00am - and there are quite a few of them. It wouldn't be long before the thieves figured out that they should stay around until 7 or 8 am.  After all, who would know them anyway?

Since cell phones are invariably stolen, it is useful for owners to record their phone's unique IMEI number and write it down somewhere. Every cell phone sold worldwide has an IMEI number. In Turkey this number is registered in a national registry.  The purpose is specifically to trace stolen phones.  To see your number, press *#06#.  Usually you can also see it on the phone under the battery.

There are plenty of phones (Android, Iphone, Blackberry) that are sold equipped with mobile tracking software that would let you track your phone instantly. Tracking your phone can mean locating the thief.   I know of someone who was caught in this manner.  This software exists for computers too.  Of course, the phone or computer has to be turned on and linked to a GPS system.  Sooner or later thieves do turn the phones on and their IMEI is broadcast. 

Many of these phones are not particularly expensive.  I compared the prices of SIM-free phones on amazon.co.uk and here in Turkey on hepsiburada.com.  Although more expensive here, by the time a phone is bought in the UK, registered here in Fethiye (petrol to round trip to Fethiye + TL 120 to register the phone + a lot of time and hassle), it came to the same amount.

 As for a letter, it is being written but it will be better for individuals to send copies.  One letter signed by many does not carry the same weight.  If we need to badger the authorities into helping us, one letter doesn't constitute an annoyance nearly as much as 100 ! >:D
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: kevincat99 on July 28, 2012, 01:56:01 PM

Cosetta will this letter be available on here or KTLN to print and send ??
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cosetta on July 28, 2012, 02:02:22 PM
When ready it will be posted on KTLN, also here if Jon wishes.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Cuddles on July 28, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
What I have always found amazing is how Jandarma always advertise to all and sundry where they are by driving around with their roof lights flashing out like beacons, in a town built on a hillside they can be seen from miles away!

This was mentioned on KTLN a few days ago. TC came back with ......"Then again you won't notice the undercover patrols on foot, and in unmarked cars!".

Personally, I think that the idea of late night and early morning checks on the three exits from the village, is the only real way to catch the people who are shifting the stolen goods. Then it is to be hoped that the Jandarma could get leads back to the people who are committing the burglaries. Well, this one has been answered by Cosetta while I was typing. That thinking cap is getting awfully tight!

Something that has not been mentioned so far is marking your goods with a clear permanent marker that shows up under ultra-violet light. I just use my UK postcode and house number, it is unlikely that anyone in Turkey would have a duplicate for any reason.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Firecat on July 28, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
As someone who is due to travel to Kalkan for the first time as a solo traveller (not first time to Kalkan, just first time alone) this news is a bit worrisome. The idea of being in a villa alone while it is being ransacked is not a pleasant one. There has been an attempt to play things down by highlighting the fact that overall the crime rate in Kalkan is low, but I have to say this sort of organised, concerted burglary is not being mentioned on other forums connected to Turkish resorts of a similar size to Kalkan so I can only assume that Kalkan is being specifically targeted by certain gangs and that the reason they are so productive is that they do not feel under threat of penal action. Why would they desist or move elsewhere if they can just take what they like without consequence? It is a terrible shame because even here in my little corner of London I have no issue with leaving my patio doors open while I potter about in the house or even nip out to the shops whereas I fear that upon arrival in Kalkan I will be obsessively checking every door to ensure it is securely locked. I really wish that more was being done about this crime wave than appears to be the case.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: amber on July 29, 2012, 06:39:55 AM
I too attended the meeting and it was obvious thst we cannot expect any more patrols or roadchecks than we already have.They do not have the man power to increase these and there seemed no likelyhood of that changing.
There was no representative from the belideye,yet the main problem seems to be the lack of CCTV in and around Kalkan.This is a subject that has been brought up on many occasions and what has been done............Other towns have it,why cant we? The mayor should be searching for government and other funding to make up any shortfall they have.Is he?
So the meeting really just told us we must keep our eyes and ears open.Burglars will be looking around during the day,making plans! So look out for people and cars acting strangely. We  must be vigilant and also ensure our own properties have good security.The Jandarma have offered to send someone to look at peoples existing arrangements and give improvement advice.At the meeting they spoke of locks,personal cctv etc.
CCTV in Kalkan would mean eyes everwhere,it has been proved to keep burglars at bay in other areas and without it Kalkan is like an ATM machine....................
For anyone coming on holiday,dont let what you have been reading spoil your time here,its a wonderful place just take the normal precautions.There are 1000s of properties and people here that have had no problems at all but CCTV is a tool to make it safer for everyone......
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: amber on July 31, 2012, 06:11:03 AM
There is now a report of the meeting on KTLN.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: happy days on July 31, 2012, 11:34:21 AM
The report on KTLN provides a good realistic assessment of the situation in Kalkan and is well worth a read. Whilst not the solution, CCTV installed at strategic points throughout Kalkan will help and any support residents/owners can provide to make this happen in Kalkan should be pursued. If not readily forthcoming via council/government funding what about owners funding it through a donation scheme administered via the Belediyse? This may give us some influence in getting them to take a more procative stance in other issues that are a cause for concern?
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: misty on July 31, 2012, 12:19:37 PM

I think people are missing the point with a town wide CCTV system...the cost...you will need a central control station which would need to be manned 24/7. This might require three teams of two operators, working shifts manning the center, with communication links to the police etc. Already you can see the costs mounting the installation, hardware and labour costs alone will significant. Then you may also have the issues of people complaining of intrusion via the cameras.. :( :(   
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: happy days on July 31, 2012, 01:15:34 PM
Misty. Whilst you have raised a valid point re cost, lets try to at least explore the option and quantify cost before killing an idea before it has started. There are a significant number of owners in kalkan who have invested heavily in property. I am sure a significant number would be willing to contribute towards kalkan wide cctv. Clearly government funding is the optimum but failing that lets at least explore private funding.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: kevincat99 on July 31, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
According to the Jandarma officer at the meeting he had already asked Ankara for funds for this project and had no satisfaction. It would theerfore seem to suggest that such a scheme has already been costed - so why guess there must be costed figures for such a project  available

Apparantly he had also asked the Belediye in Kalkan for a contribution but they said no - as if it was nothing at all to do with them - which seems to be also borne out by their lack of any representation at the meeting

Perhaps it's time for local residents, both Turkish and foreigners,  to go en-masse  to the next Belediye meeting to ask their views on the situation

I suggested last year that there is an additional local addition to the annual propery tax, on a maybe one-off basis to fund such a CCTV scheme,  the cost of which would fall on every property owner but also benefit every owner proportionately

Again it seems with the Belediye, not un- like the KAPSA situation with the stray dogs scenario,  if someone else .i.e. private individuals put up the money they can forget about it as someone else is doing it

I am sure that there was some sort of private funding asked for a couple of years ago which some people gave to for CCTV [ perhaps someone can confirm this ] and nothing happened and the money evaporated somewhere

Finally if the thieves read [or were told] of the true and comprehensive report of the meeting now on the KTLN website they must think it is wonderful news, highlighting  the lack of a real Jandarma prescence, no roadblocks , no CCTV deterent coming anythime soon and the need for private CCTV proof of actual thefts - it is like telling the opposing football team all your own shortfalls and strategy

Maybe the Jandarma meeting today with property management companies hopefully getting their own people involved in spotting strangers in the village , strange cars parked etc will help the situation  as most of them know most people living here and strangers should be easy to spot

Lets all hope so
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: cassam101 on August 14, 2012, 10:31:23 AM
Sept will be my fourth visits to Kalkan. The last was seven years ago and we had a bad experience when our villa was broken into and my son's money and a camera were stolen. I say broken into but a key was used and then mabe to look as if a downstairs door was used but that was his exciting. We had our suspicions it was guy who cleaned the pool he was questioned by police but had no proof. We has to make make two visits to police in Kas waste two full days as we were kept waiting so long. In the end they promised to post out a crime number for insurance which we never did receive so coukdn't claim. More than loosing money we knew it was because my son was being watched where he was hiding it(no safe) as his room was next to pool. He was a teenager then and very upset. This put us off returning to Kalkan for seven years as also the villa owner was as much use as a chocolate teapot. Now when I read all about villas being broken into while occupants are asleep I really wish we hadn't decided to return. I have always loved Kalkan but now I'm just plain scared. Can anyone put my mind at rest? We are staying at anther villa this time and at least it has a safe.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: Firecat on August 14, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
Reading other forums it seems that Kalkan is not unique in having this problem. I think it has a lot to do with the preponderance of self catering (villas and apartments) in Kalkan compared to some other resorts as it's easier for a thief to enter a private residence than a hotel. I have been having anxiety attacks about my impending visit because I will be staying alone, but I have decided to just chill about it and not stress.  During the two weeks I am in Kalkan undoubtedly there will be burglaries, but in relation to the total number of holiday properties this will be a tiny percentage and it would just be bad luck to be one of those chosen. I will be taking extra precautions to secure my possessions though and nothing will be left lying around. I don't know if the safe is a good thing or a bad thing as it screams 'I contain valuables!!' and a determined thief might be able to get into it - or even rip it out and take it away. I will keep cash and passport in my bag during the day and under my mattress at night. Things like iPad, camera etc. I will have in my room at night and will lock my bedroom door. During the day I intend to hide them somewhere which is not obvious to an opportunistic burglar. I wish I didn't have to think in these terms, but it's a sensible strategy. It would be such a shame if these low life thieving barstewards deterred people from enjoying all that Kalkan has to offer.
Title: Re: More Burglaries
Post by: davenottm on August 14, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
We were one of the burglaries on the night on the 23rd July that DianeK speaks about at the top of the thread (although there were five that I was aware of - four holiday makers and one Turkish resident). We were "lucky" in that we heard a noise downstairs that woke us and we went down to find a side window had been forced. Most of our valuables were placed in the safe which itself was inside a locked cupboard, so we lost "only" a cheap camera and £35. It was very disturbing at the time and the Jandarma were brilliant for us, coming out very quickly. The forensic officers also came out the same days for fingerprints. I was stuck in their car for a number of hours as they responded to the other calls that morning, but they took me to the station, took a statement and gave me a crime report.

The irony is that in our guestbook, someone had reported an attempted break in a couple of weeks previously, but had obviously not reported it either to the Jandarma or to the villa manager. PLEASE, if you find that someone has even attempted to break in, report it to the villa manager so that they can check the security and if necessary fit additional locks.

Will it put me off coming back to Kalkan? Possibly (I did not have a complete night's sleep for the three weeks that we were there - paranoid that it would happen again), but in future bookings I will be asking owners about a safe and alarm because they will now assume greater importance for me.
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