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Kalkan Discussion => Politics & Debate => Topic started by: fidimax on July 18, 2009, 03:33:53 PM
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For all you chuffers ( and me ) dont forget the smoking ban comes into force on sunday,looks like gatherings on the streets of kalkan are iminent !
::) ;D
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As the smoking ban is now in place,has anyone noticed any differrence,are people standing outside smoking,or has nothing changed ?
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I missed the first two wickets of Sunday morning's play ın the test match slipping out of the Swan to have a sly ciggy. Not really noticed much difference though, yet
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Being one of the "bad habit" people - so I am led to believe! - I read in our national press re. the smoking ban, which refers to bars, cafes and restaurants.
So, when I am in Kalkan next month, at a roof top restaurant, in the open air, can I smoke or not? ???
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I hope the ban covers the roof top terraces...not sure which is worse people smoking inside or groups gathered outside smoking and littering the streets with cigarrate ends...would be nice if there was a total ban full stop.
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Most terraces are open, so not covered by the ban. There is also a lack of rubbish bins or wallmounted ashtrays around the village so those of us forced outside need to find somewhere to put our fag ends. Any advice Misty? By the way, with the firmness of your comments before, when did you give up?
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My advice is give up the anti social habit.......
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Sound advice, which I will consıder over a cold beer and a ciggy outside the Nar, with apologies to passers-by
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Oh dear, a hornet's nest seems to have been stirred up re smoking/non smoking! Just because some of us have "a habit!", let us not forget 1 in 3 Turks smoke, and their tobacco industry is a source of income to the country.
Yes, I am a smoker, but will abide by any local/national laws - the same as I have to here in the UK. :)
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I will give up smoking when all the inconsiderate people give up driving pollution spouting cars and slowly killing me and the planet,imho anyone who drives a car is the same or worse than a smoker.
Get a bike !!!!! ::) >:D
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Of course, I will obey the law but still feel the restaurant/business owners should have the right to choose whether or not their establishments allow smoking. If smoking ever becomes an Olympic sport, the Turks are surely medal contenders
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I will give up smoking when all the inconsiderate people give up driving pollution spouting cars and slowly killing me and the planet,imho anyone who drives a car is the same or worse than a smoker.
Get a bike !!!!! ::) >:D
Blimey, I bet you are sore after your bike ride from Dalaman to Kalkan. (And your arms must ache after flapping all the way from the UK)!
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I know what you are saying, but I dont drive,so I dont use a car to go to the shop,and I dont use a big 4x4 to pick up lazy kids from school.
Oh,I have a small motorbike,funny how some people dont like it when the boots on the other foot . ;D
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I don't subscribed to the anti motorist league I like big engined cars we own a 4x4 for the 1/4 mile school run...and fly several time a year.... my belief is that global warming is a load of hype and used an excuse to tax us even more....the earth is still coming out of the ice age !!!
I do object to smokers polluting my private space :angel:
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What would you consider your private space Misty ?
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What would you consider your private space Misty ?
It varies I guess more for noise polluted less for things like smoke etc I have nothing against smokers if they wish to fill their bodies with poisonous chemicals its up them..just don't expect me or my family to share the experience...
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I respect your views Misty,I dont want anyone to share my experience,they can buy their own cigs. ;D >:D
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Cool I'll send the OH outside to stand with you when she wants to fire her pipe up :angel: :angel:
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I smoke but I really, really, object to people smoking around me when I am eating - I don't care if there is a ban or not, it is just rude & inconsiderate to smoke when others are eating.
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Might move this one to politics and debate soon ;)
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i promise not to smoke in enclosed eating places.....the man who let rip several times in Kaya i found more antisocial .....but i find loudness just as irritating,and also why do people buy glasses and look over the top of them? ;D
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Well said, Sally. My BH is a smoker and NEVER smokes in a restaurant, on a roof terrace or in fact anywhere anyone is eating when we are in Kalkan. We've had many a good meal spoiled by being seated next to chain smokers. I apreciate that people enjoy cigarettes...and worse cigars...but is there really any need to light up between EVERY course ???
I hasten to none of these smokers have been Turkish, in my experience.
BL I wear reading glasses, but if I look up from the menu to talk to you, you would be a lizardy blur...so I irritatingly....look over my glasses. I promise to give that up when smoking in roof terrace restaurants ceases ;D ;D
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That's strange Blue Lizard, I was once in Ibo's and an older very posh lady kept letting rip whilst we where eating, I find that disgusting, far more disgusting than fag smoke!!
I'm a smoker but I do try not to smoke around other people & go out the way, I agree with the smoking ban in enclosed spaces cause other people shouldn't have suffer but I disagree with being treat like a leper just cause you smoke, be nice if they could make smoking areas a little bit nicer instead of dumps!!
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i promise not to smoke in enclosed eating places.....the man who let rip several times in Kaya i found more antisocial .....but i find loudness just as irritating,and also why do people buy glasses and look over the top of them? ;D
I met that guy and confronted him say "how dare you fart in front of my wife" he did apologise saying he didn't realise it was her turn !!
Lougie its the smokers that turn the areas into dumps !
People think they look intelligent by peering over the top of their glasses !
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Perhaps it should be a 60TL fine for blowing off a trumpet in a restaurant? ;D
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The answer my friend is blowing in the wind ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It makes me sick! and I not a smoker! they have ruined pubs and bars all over Britain with this silly law! Ill thought out and a total waste of time! it splits groups of people it stops people going out, there is never a time when a group of diners actually stay at a table together. I think the non smokers should go out side and leave the smokers in! Why not place better extraction in bars and restaurants so the smoke is removed quickly leaving everone to have a good time. I will tell you some thing I bet those that wanted the no smoking ban in England still never go in pubs! now its changed.
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Well said Molly,I think it should be up to the landlord/owner of the pub,they know their customers better then anyone,if they want a smoking pub fine,if they want a none smoking pub thats fine also,have you ever noticed that none smokers go and stand in the smoking area outside a pub when their mates go for a smoke,strange that. ;) ;D
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Lets remember the smoking ban in the UK (..and England was the last country here to enforce this EU ruling....) is as much about protecting staff from passive smoking as well as customers. The nanny state has deemed that if you make life uncomfortable for smokers they would smoke less and eventually give up. It works to a certain degree as my BH smokes less in the winter...going outside in freezing rain for a fag is distinctly unappealing. No-one cares in the summer and as Neil says you are more likely to move your group outside if there's a smoker or two with you.
For me, the best thing about the ban is not coming home smelling like an ashtray with random cigarette burns in my clothes after a night out. I'm not anti smoking - just wish there was a decent compromise to a very difficult issue :angel:
I understand it will soon be illegal to smoke in a car if you have children with you....that should have been the first anti-smoking law in my opinion >:(
I think the ban in Turkey is long overdue as so many of the population are smokers, it doesn't bode well for the future.
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Blimey..how many drinks do you have to get your clothes burnt? ;D ;D
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Well I absolutely love going into pubs and restaurants now there's no smoke, its much nicer. Totally love it and wished they'd done it years ago. ;D
Ps, I don't look over my glasses, but I do take an enormous delight in farting. I'm not bothered if it upsets people; they can always go outside. >:D ;) ;)
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In the Uk the smoking ban has destroyed the community role of the pub, especially in rural areas with many pubs closing every week. Its destroyed the pub trade.
It should have been up to the pub landlord to decide whether to allow smoking or not, subject to no smoking where food is served. If a pub wanted to continue to allow smoking, it would have had to provide a separate smoking area inside, adequately ventilated.
What has happened.....people hanging about on the street outside, making a mess outside with tab end litter, people getting pneumonia in the winter adding to the pressure on the NHS, pubs closing damaging the local community etc etc
Nobody has thought through the long term......if a smoking ban reduces people smoking...the tax revenue falls...people live longer...more elderly people...more pressure on and cost of care services and NHS to look after an aging population....the pension timebomb gets worse !!!!
The same will happen in Turkey !!!
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Most people I know who work in a pub smoke !!!!
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Smoking pubs employ smokers?............simples!
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K4E I agree,I dont mind going out side for a smoke(even more if claire is letting rip) I have got used to it,what I dont like is the attitude of some non smokers towards smokers,and people who have given up are the worst.
If I go outside for a smoke I dont exspect to see the smoke area full of none smokers getting a bit of "fresh"air,tutting and muttering when I light up .
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Too true Denners,sky news yesterday "58 pubs a day have closed since Jan"
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Crikey Denners that's a pretty harsh assesment and conclusion....the country needs people to smoke and die a pretty horrible and needlessly early death because they need to help the pub trade and ensure an intolerable strain isn't put on our services :o :o :o :o
Most smokers I know - BH included - would love to quit.
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Think about it K4E,most of what Denners says is true,eg how much tax would we have to pay if all the uk stopped smoking?how many people would lose their jobs ? ect ect,it doesnt bear thinking about,and then all the people who complain about smokers will start moaning about the tax they have to pay ! :o
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Of course there's an element of truth in what he says, but the biggest strain on the NHS currently is caused by smoking related illnesses and pubs are closing not solely because of the smoking ban - I'd say the recession is having a major impact there. But we will use the facts and see what we want to support our own different arguments, here, that's the very nature of this particular topic. You have every right to smoke and I have every right not to smoke. sadly those two "rights" can't co-exist until they invent a cigarette that allows the smoker to ingest rather than share. Agreed?
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...but the NHS would not have to be funded to treat all the smoking related diseases that it currenty does. But I'll shoot myself in the foot here and suggest the cash would just move to other areas of treatment (and I don't mean the bullet wound in my foot!).
For what it's worth I support the ban. - in the UK and anywhere else.
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The smokers are paying for the NHS !!!!!
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Not totally K4E,let the landlords decide.
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that's not going to happen, Neil...unless the EU disappears overnight.
Denners, if that's the case can you up your fag intake...the NHS could do with more money :P :P
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Unless the EU disappears overnight?....Now thats a heart warming thought! >:D >:D
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...and the MEP's with it??????
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Whatever happened to our freedom of choice? Whether we want to smoke/fart/pick our nasal orifices or other amusing habits, I think we are all losing the plot here.
Big Brother is alive and well - all over the world! We have to accept it! (No way) Hey, have just had an idea - lets put a tax on all those who insist on pulling their homes behind them, that would raise more revenue than us "unhealthy lot" - badly delayed en route to Dalaman earlier this year, due to homes on wheels wanting to stop and admire the road surface, surrounding trees and shedding bits everywhere. And people moan about cigarette butts in the street! ::)
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I agree all caravans should be outlawed ;D ;D and if they are smokers as well...... shot at dawn >:D >:D
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Only noticed recently on Turkish TV that anyone smoking has their cigarette pixellated out! Even more ridiculous than the ban itself!
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Has the world gone mad?
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The smokers are paying for the NHS !!!!!
Smoking related illness's cost the NHS far more than any revenue raised from taxation !!
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Sorry Misty...have to disagree.
In 2006/07 smokers paid UK taxes of £10bn (Excise Duty £8.1bn and VAT £1.9bn).
Studies (Oxford Uni.) suggest smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £5bn (used to be thought to be around £1.7bn) and smoking caused 18.6% of all UK deaths.
A clear case of smokers benefitting the UK economy financially and reducing the strain there would be on the elderly care services, cost to the NHS of age related conditions and the UK pension cost !!! And smokers are saving the tax payable by non-smokers....a clear social benefit !!
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But the big question is how much of that £10bn reaches the NHS....my bet would be its siphoned off (like vehicle duty) and used to prop up all the costly failings of New Labour :) :)
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I have to agree with you on that !!!!
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Porky people are a bigger drain on the NHS than smokers.....and they can hurt you if they fall on you :angel:
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Ban food.....................
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Tax junk food ;D
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make porky people smoke!!...it suppresses appetites and the weight would drop off them..more tax revenue from fags and our pavements would need less repairs and the savings would be immense :laugh: >:D
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B L has a plan......................