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Kalkan Discussion => Restaurants, Bars, Nightlife & Shopping => Topic started by: MartynE on February 24, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
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I have recently been talking to a well-known local entrepreneur/hotelier/bar-owner who is thinking about setting up a regular live music venue in the town.
I don''t want to disclose any details at this stage because it''s only an idea and he would like to gauge likely demand before taking it too far - ie soundproofing, equipment, re-arranging accommodation etc. He also doesn''t want to upset anyone! Some of you wil probably guess who I am talking about anyway.... what do you think?
Any comments or observations? Personally I think a good live music venue could be just what is needed. But then I am biased... ;D
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i would like something a bit more "Turkish"...i can get rock /pop etc in fareham...not discounting my I pod and various bars :P
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Up to now loud music has been avoided here in Kalkan
However, what type of music is proposed and who would be playing it???
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I don''t think Turkish music would be excluded, and I think variety would be the name of the game. Probably a bit of blues & jazz... soul maybe... tasteful danceable stuff. And volume is already identified as a potential issue, so it would be very much in keeping with the overall atmosphere of Kalkan (bearing in mind that even the Moonlight Bar can get a bit loud ;)
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I guess I am biased as well! Personally, I need a shot of Classic Rock once a week which I get with my band, but anything with genuine drive, soul and feeling I would certainly go and see. 8)
Also there could be different music on different evenings to cater for all tastes.
Allan.
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Sounds good to me as long as we can have a heavy metal night: Mega Death, Toxic Killers, Rogue Angels etc etc.......
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Now Misty, are you really a Heavy Metal fan? Shouldn''t you know how to spell Megadeth? >:D
Allan.
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Sorry the spell check must have corrected it....... LOL
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I think that sounds like a great idea. You can''t beat live music.
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I think its a great idea too. :D
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Me too - sounds great - do you think they''ll do 70s evenings 80''s evenings...too..?? Not just different types of music but different eras...??!! ;)
Cheers!
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I would agree to a degree. You can''t beat (good) live music, but I would prefer to keep the Abba and Queen tribute acts on the Costa del Crime than in Kalkan. But if it promises to be reasonable quality music, more in keeping with the general atmosphere of the village, it could be OK. It comes down to what you prefer: groupies or golfers.
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Any idea where venue this will be located?
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Sounds like a good idea to me,Im not to sure about non turkish bands playing,there must be plenty of turkish bands looking for a platform for their bands,rock,blues,rap,soul or traditional turkish music,and it could maybe earn a few bob for them.
But saying that, a jamming session by non turkish residents or any musicians on holiday every now and then would be good fun.
Neil. 8) O0 >:D ;D
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There is a male and female duo that have played in IBO''s a few times when we have eaten there and they are really good. I believe they are local to the area and may travel around singing at venues.
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I love music of all kinds but I have certain reservations as to a "proper live music venue", music played whilst I am eating in one of the many restaurants as an addition to my enjoyment of the experience is very much appreciated but a venue which is going to provide a big stage where noise that jangles the brain? I''m not sure, so long as it is confined and doesn''t pollute the surrounding areas (noise wise as some of the bars already do) otherwise I can''t go for that. My fear is that it is the beginning of a slippery slope into becoming an over commercialised tourist trap. Sorry!
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I would agree to a degree. You can''''t beat (good) live music, but I would prefer to keep the Abba and Queen tribute acts on the Costa del Crime than in Kalkan. But if it promises to be reasonable quality music, more in keeping with the general atmosphere of the village, it could be OK. It comes down to what you prefer: groupies or golfers.
I actually prefer groupies that like being roadies! >:D
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fantastic if Leonard Cohen could come and do a concert. My daugther loves Kalkan and would be completely made up if the Jonas Brothers came to Kalkan !!
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Who are the Jonas Brothers? ???
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mr and mrs Jonas children..... ;D :angel:
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I''d love to see a live music venue in Kalkan. Blues, Jazz, rock well anything really. Like earlier posts there must be some local musicians out there that would love to play. Maybe set up a few jam sessions where locals can play with some of you guys.
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We''d rather not have a music venue if there is any chance of noise polution. One of the reasons we love Kalkan is because it is reasonably quiet at night when we sit on the terrace after we have been out for dinner (although depending on the wind diredtion the music from outdoor Turkish nights can be heard but it does stop at a reasonable time). We''d hate to be forced to listen to music we might not choose to pay to hear. Wherever the venue is placed it will disturb someone unless the soundproofing is very good.
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I''ve thought about this, and I probably wouldn''t want a live music venue in Kalkan. I don''t think it can add anything to the charm of this lovely location and might possibly even detract from it. I know we appear to be in the minority on this thread, but I''d be in the No Lobby for this one.
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I''m in the ''NO'' lobby also, I love the peace & quiet when sitting on the balcony. And when one venue starts, then what''s to stop another one latching on to the idea?
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I like the Idea,but,only if its done right,indoors with good sound proofing ect,and nothing from the venue
should detract from the peace at night.
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Sorry, can''t be persuaded, even by soundproofing...at some point people open doors and the noise spills out. And Sally''s right, other bar owners/hoteliers/entrepeneurs will think they''re missing out so may look to do the same. It saddens me if this is no longer just an idea and is actually work in progress :(
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Live music = loud music = Its a slipery slope, once the cat is out of the bag there is no stopping it, Kalkan will / may never be the same ???, but hey, what ever stays the same ? ???
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Interesting comments from everyone and every opnion is appreciated and respected.
I would just like to confirm that it is not, at this stage ''work in progress'' - it is merely an idea that has been aired to see what the response would be. In that sense, it is exactly what I anticipated.... roughly 50/50 for and against.
Ok, let''s ask another couple of questions.... for those who are worried about the potential disruption due to noise... do you find the music from the Moonlight Bar to be obtrusive? If so, have you ever complained about the noise?
Lastly... if the venue went ahead (I stress that''s a big ''IF'') what would be an acceptable closing time?
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I have often dreamt of the “Who†playing live at the Roman Theatre Patara with:- Lucius Annaeus Seneca as the warm up act. ;D
Regards: Buster
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Yes - I do find the music in the Moonlight bar very loud - so loud sometimes that you have to get very friendly with your drinking companions to the point of nibbling their ears to get heard - and that is when sitting outside in the road falling down the hill...!! ;D ;D
However it doesnt bother me unduly coz you cant hear it out of town and even in the Sofra - the music didnt really bother me...
Cheers!
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my ears are quite nibbled and frayed...maybe iv''''''''e spent to much time in the moonlight!! :angel:
there was a time when they used to slide the glass door across to keep noise levels down .they don''''t seem to do this anymore or didn''''t last time i was out........slightly different ..anyone remember the naff projection light onto the mountainside with "no name " on it?....i thought that was pants!!
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Personally I would be against it, I like to sit on our terrace in reasonable peace, would not appreciate the thud,thud of underlying bass, and the thought of 60''s or 70''s nights would fill me with horror! Each to his own I suppose but I think this could detract from some of Kalkans ambience.
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Personally I would be against it, I like to sit on our terrace in reasonable peace, would not appreciate the thud,thud of underlying bass, and the thought of 60''''s or 70''''s nights would fill me with horror! Each to his own I suppose but I think this could detract from some of Kalkans ambience.
msr
We''re not talking about a moonlight scenario here. The noise from there can be heard from our place a good 5-10 minute walk up the hill. The sort of music being discussed on here doesn''t have that boom, boom sound. The venue being discussed, (if I''m not mistaken, is a few steps away from where we have our place) won''t bother us at all. Don''t forget it won''t be every night. :)
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We had a very nice meal spoilt at the Coast restaurant last year by live music blaring out from the Gironda. The guys at the Coast were not very happy either.
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Actually, Martyn I was referring to the Feds e-mail that says work is "well under way" which indicates to me that this is no longer just an idea. Perhaps you can expand on that Feds?
In answer to your question about Moonlight Bar, yes, I find Moonlight can be noisey at times, but the sound of chatting is usually equal, if not louder than the noise from their DJ. If you go to Moonlight in the afternoon, or early evening it''s a different place. I''ve never complained about the noise because it doesn''t bother me, but live music is a different sound to people chatting with background music, and the sound does reverberate in a different way. My main objection however is that I don''t think it will add anything to the charm of Kalkan, and if others decide to follow suit, will definitely detract from what we have there now. Sound-proofing was mentioned very early on in this discussion, so automatically people (me included) think aaaarrrggghhh loud music...that''s human nature ;D
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it''s a difficult one. I enjoy listening to music BUT detest when it''s so loud that I can''t hear myself think. The music coming from, I think, The Yali bar, last year was verging on the ridiculous. Several lovely meals were interrupted by the constant blare of music emanating from there. If it could be guaranteed to only be heard by those in close proximity then yes it may be a good idea, but would hate to have my peace destroyed by unwanted din. I value peace and tranquility and would hate to find Kalkan turn itself into a "boom boom" town
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looks like the guys from coast were so annoyed with the noise from Gironda they took it over!! ;D ;D
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If the location given by Brooksie is correct then it is certainly far too close to my apartment and I would be dead against it, as I think the other apartment owners in our development would be. I am pretty sure that the music''s soundproofing won''t stop it reaching our apartment, as someone said earlier, doors opening, etc. Not everyone who visits our apartment is a night owl so even if it finshes at midnight then that means they may not be able to sleep with the windows open. Some have children and others aren''t particularly young and I am sure the majority won''t want to listen to live music which may not always be of high quality or to their personal taste. What guarantee is the hotel owner going to give re noise pollution for his neighbours? Does he have to apply for some sort of permit for this? I think other nearby bars will also perhaps feel the need to compete and we could end up with a great noise mess.
This may make me sound grumpy and a spoil sport but I think the effects could be detrimental to the enjoyment of Kalkan for many people. In some European resorts nightclubs and noisy late night venues are located out of the residential area to ensure they don''t spoil the peace of residents.
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Lastly... if the venue went ahead (I stress that''''s a big ''''IF'''') what would be an acceptable closing time?
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Many of my band''s pub gigs finish at 11.00pm due to people living nearby, one even at 10.30pm!
Good soundproofing can be achieved, and 2 sets of doors act like an air lock for the sound so people entering and leaving the venue need not be a problem. The Moonlight Bar blasts music into the open air until midnight!
Most of the music nights could be acoustic based, but amplified Blues /Soul music doesn''t have to be that loud.
Perhaps one night per week could be a Rock night, but how many Rock Bands are there in, or visit Kalkan?
So that may be the exception rather than the rule. My band are open to offers (to appear or stay away!) ;D
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Sorry I think it’s a terrible idea. I have no objection to the occasional night where there is a single guitar player and a singer but a full-blown band with drums and bass would be very intrusive to the relative peace and quiet on the outskirts of the town.
I’d like to hear more Turkish music being played at the bars and restaurants, it’s rare to find it played anywhere in Kalkan now, which is a real shame.
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Not sure what he trying to soundproof, but logically won''t this event be held outside in the summer season??
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Very good point, Kevincat - who''d want to be inside with all doors & windows shut (as they would have to be to keep soundproof) on a summer''s night in Kalkan?
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As a neighbour I will be directly affected by this. I am however, prepared to see for myself what the situation is regarding live music at the Nur (if it does indeed go ahead) before I pass judgement. I know Baris personally and I think the last thing on his mind would be to upset people. He is a business man trying new things, he is not trying to change Kalkan or spoil it. Cut him a bit of slack before shooting him down in flames. As for you (lucky) residents, if you have any concerns why not approach him directly and discuss your issues with him.
Mark
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I agree with Brooksie - as a very close neighbour to the Nur - the thought of booming music all night fills me with horror....but then when you think of it logically - why on earth would Baris cheese all the visitors and owners of the Nur apartments and hotel by deliberately upsetting them with loud music all night... He is an intelligent business man and that just doesn''t make any sense so we should and will have to trust his judgement before we start making accusations and assumptions.
Cheers! :)
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Ok, now the cat is out of the bag I have to say I agree with the Feds and Brooksie. We have two (well three, if you count the studio) apartments right next to the Nur Hotel - they used to be part of it - and if anyone will be affected, frankly, it''s going to be us more than anyone else.
Baris is a really nice guy, we know him very well and he is very worried about annoying regulars and residents. Rest assured, the last thing he wants to do is turn Kalkan into another Marmaris. He has a lot of taste, and just wants to provide a facility for people who like live music to be able to enjoy it in a relaxed, friendly atmosphere. He also has his own hotel residents to think about. It''s a family hotel, after all.
We are talking bar bands rather than full heavy metal concerts..... that part of the Nur only holds about 50 people tops, so really loud music just won''t be on the agenda.
Obviously as a musician myself I''m biased, but I''m sure it will be fine. Trust me. ;)
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If the sound proofing is done right live music should not affect anyone living nearby,I like live music rather than recorded music,it gives you a chance to see real musicians doing what they do best,good luck to baris and his new project,I hope to have a look in when its all up and running,and hopefully nobody will be affected by anything. >:D >:D >:D >:D O0 8)
" Keep it live" >:D
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wer jammin,i wanna jammit wi you..wer jammin ..i hope you like jammin tooooooo O0
takes a bow........i thank you!!
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Now theres a thought,Dreadlock lizard,YA MON O0 8)
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Have I missed something here? We seem to have gone from being asked for our views on a potential live music venue 3 days ago on behalf of the hotel owner to now hearing that work is taking place on the venue. Does that mean we were wasting our time posting views?
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Jonas Brothers are an all American Clean Living band that girls aged 12-16 are in love with !!
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Kalkan regular
Nobody on this thread is posting any views on behalf of the Hotel owner, let''s not make assumptions.
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Baris at the Nur is obviously doing this work to provide live music and one must therefore assume that he obviously already has a plan in mind-otherwise why do it?
Of all these people who know him, has anyone actually asked him what this plan might be?
This would then maybe avoid all this speculation perhaps?
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Having re read the original thread I now realise that I had misunderstood the intention of the original post. The poster, Martyn, says that the hotelier was wondering how many of us would use the live music venue ("I don''''t want to disclose any details at this stage because it''''s only an idea and he would like to gauge likely demand before taking it too far - ie soundproofing, equipment, re-arranging accommodation etc.").
I mistakenly thought the post was asking for our opinion of Kalkan having a live music venue. I also was mislead by the comment that ''the hotelier was wondering'' and made an assumption that this enquiry was being done with his agreement. Obviously from Brooksies comment it wasn''t.
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Glad we live up the hill! Taxi anyone? >:D
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I think I need to clarify something... Baris has not asked me to post a question on this, or any other forum. My views are my own, not his. He can speak for himself! Please do not get the impression that I am speaking for Baris or acting on his behalf in any way.
I was simply asking a question out of my own curiosity, because Baris asked me whether I thought it was a good idea to open a live music venue. I told him what I thought a few weeks ago, when the subject came up, but it recently occurred to me that other people might have different views and I thought I would pass those views on to him next time I speak to him, which I will. But he certainly has not asked me to do so - and it appears that he may have made a decision anyway. If so, that''s his prerogative.
I hope that clarifies the situation. :)
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Think we have explored this one enough now :)