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Offline Cheesecake

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« on: February 01, 2009, 09:43:55 PM »
Thanks for your replies everybody.  We are very excited about our idea of our possible move to Kalkan later in the year.  The only thing that we are having some debates about is how we will make a living, as it seems the interest rate is dropping and as such not a great time to retire ! i have been a successful pastry chef working globally for the past 20 years and would love to open a patisserie specialising in good old fashioned english cooking, having won many awards for both my sweet and savory pie''s..... does anyone think there would be a market for this in kalkan ?

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 07:40:54 AM »
Hi cheesecake, yes very good luck with your endeavours, I don''t know too much about earning a living in kalkan, but I''m sure there will be a few forum regulars who can point you in the right direction, with regard to starting a business, I know there are English people with businesses and who are working in kalkan, so it''s not impossible.
 Just to pick up on something misty said, why is the property buying process a minefield? Having read comments on this forum and asking estate agents, the impression I get is that it''s all pretty straightforward.
 Do you think there are pitfalls or dangers not talked about?
  Sorry cheesecake, but if you''re considering settling here some or any of this info might be relavent to you
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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 03:56:37 PM »
To answer Kim 21''s question ''why is buying property in Kalkan potentially a minefield?'' the answer is simple.
sixty percent of people involved in building and or selling property in Kalkan are professional, honest and reliable. Forty percent are total crooks who would happily cheat, lie and steal in order to offload their dodgy deals to unsuspecting foreigners.

So before you buy, speak to dozens of people who have bought and live here all or much of the time. Use a lawyer who is not from Kalkan, many lawyers work for the buyer and seller, which is less than ideal and do not ever pay all the money upfront until you have the legal deeds in your name and your lawyer has told you all is ok.

We know of dozens of people (some of whom are EK members) who have been cheated and have lost huge amounts of money - as much as £250k in some cases - because they thought that their new best friend, the friendly builder, taxi driver, waiter etc wanted nothing more than to help them realise their dream of living here.

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 04:30:00 PM »
Cheesecake,
If you wish to settle in Kalkan and maybe open a business there are a number of things to consider. You will need a work permit, even if you gain residency. Also, if you want / need a 12 month a year business you will have to sell something that Turks want as well as Brits. I am not 100% convinced that traditional British baking fits the bill (Turks generally have a VERY sweet tooth and there are at least 2 businesses satisfying that particular craving). Having said that, and as a Kalkan resident I would certainly welcome it, but my already expanding waistline wouldn''t!
Renting commercial premises in Kalkan is very expensive compared to other coastal resorts in Turkey, and power / water / rates / conversion costs must be considered too.
Also, don''t forget that businesses here open from early morning till late at night, or even early hours of the following morning. Are you sure that''s how you see yourself spending your retirement!
Good luck, it''s a wonderful life here but it''s NOT paradise. Be sure before you jump.

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 04:47:23 PM »
Well said kalkan wife, a very sobering post..........Cheesecake, Good luck, and I wish you every success....."Cakes of Kalkan".....sounds great

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 07:31:11 AM »
Cheesecake

 Your business would require major infrastructure and investment. Even if you own a business, as a foreigner, in order to get a work permit for that business, you must be able to demonstrate that you employ ten Turkish workers and pay their insurance (as well as their wages).

This rules out most small businesses getting off the ground here. Even if you had a Turkish partner in the business, for you to get a work permit, the rule of ten applies. You could work here for a Turkish employer if your employer can demonstrate that your job could not be done by a Turk but with the number of well qualified ( often with international experience) Turkish chefs around, that would be quite difficult.

Brits do come here and work illegally but its usually very much a hand to mouth existence and all those I know who do this have to return to the UK in the winter to earn enough money to live on through the year, so if your plan of living here depends on earning a living wage, you might want to reconsider your options.

 Next time you are in the village, look around at the number of ''to rent''  (kiralik) signs in shops and restaurant premises. Even thriving businesses, established over a number of years cannot make a living here with the high cost of rent. One of our favourite restaurants which has thrived for years has closed this year because they could not pay the rent and make a living.

If you are paying a rent of say £15,000 for a small shop, and in effect have less than six months to earn your living, you have to sell a huge number of cakes every day in order to even cover your costs.

There could be other opportunities and gaps in the market which nobody has spotted and exploited. If you can possibly manage it, your best way to assess how things work here and decide for yourself if you could make a living is to come out for an extended period of three months or so during the season and see for yourself what the opportunities and pitfalls can be.

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 11:35:36 AM »
Lantana
Slightly off thread I know, but you mentioned a restaurant that had been successful for a number of years closing down because they couldn''t afford the overheads anymore - I was just wondering which one you were referring to?
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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 02:14:52 PM »
I have allowed some lee-way on this thread, but can you keep on topic or consider starting a new thread please.
Cheers
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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 05:27:21 PM »
My other half loves cakes, and he always says the kalkan cakes aren''t as nice as the ones you get in Greg''s the bakers up the high street. I think an international cake and sweet and savoury pie shop in kalkan sounds absolutely just the job.
  Good luck Cheesecake and put me first in the queue for an apple turnover.
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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 05:41:22 PM »
the chocolate and banana cake from the nur patisserie used to be a goodly munch!!do they still do it?any ;)one who lives in kalkan know?
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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2009, 11:51:29 AM »
I''ve not tried Nur, but ALWAYS buy cakes from Migros/Carrefour when we go to Fethiye. Those cakes are gorgeous....I can''t decide when I''m there and end up buying three or four (they seem to last ok in the box in the fridge over a few days, probably the sugar content hleping to preserve them...) Good luck with your venture, Cheesecake
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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 08:33:58 PM »
hi there new forum chums and thankyou for all your replies. although i did get a little confused with talk of property sales, dodgy dealings, restaurants closing !!! but in the end i  guess i got the answer that our idea would be welcome but maybe not possible.
I was surprised at the comment on needing to employ 10 nationals, having spoken with the consulate i was informed that to get a work permit as an employee your employers need to employ 10 nationals but if you are the employer then that is different... i suppose in any forum like this that some information will be incorrect but then there are helpful and more informed individuals whom can rectify the situation and make this a valuable portal in which to obtain information.
I maybe should start another thread but am  not sure, because having noted some of the comments i have looked at commercial rental''s in town and am now thinking that tea rooms in which to show case my wares is the solution.

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 03:48:40 PM »
Hi Cheesecake,

Have you ever visited Cafe Del Mar. That''s a bit like a coffee shop that sells gorgeous cakes - they also do alcoholic drinks and snacks which makes me think they can''t get by selling just coffee, hot chocolate and cakes....and their premises are tiny. We love it there, it''s a great place to chill and watch the world go by but it''s not hugely busy. I would definitely do some market research before opening tea rooms, if this is your preferred route. As lovely as it sounds, you really need to ensure there is a market there for your product before you set up in business.

I wish you well in your new venture  :)

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Re: Opening a business-split from introduce yourself
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2009, 12:42:33 PM »
Although there are a few foreigners earning small bits of money on the sly, big trouble for them if the government ever starts checking.  Having a residence permit does not entitle anyone to earn money in Turkey from any endeavor.  To do it legally, you must have a work permit or start a legal biz.  In reality, would the tea shops offer to buy / sell your sweets?  Maybe.  Most likely through social networking you might get some business but not enough to live on.
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